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Ken Bloom
@ken-bloom
12/20/09 09:23:52AM
6 posts

Bess Lomax Hawes, 1921-2009


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I had the privilege of getting to know Bess and her son Nick at the Idyllwild Music Camp in California in the early 60's. I was brand new to to traditional music, having come froma Jazz and classicla background. She was a very wonderful and giving person. Her warmth is what really stands out in my mind, both in her performances and just talking with her. Seems like way too many of these pivotal figures have now left us. I would see Nick around LA more than Bess but it was a true gift to have known her.Ken Bloom http://www.boweddulcimer.com
razyn
@razyn
12/19/09 12:32:04PM
51 posts

Bess Lomax Hawes, 1921-2009


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Well, not so much a span of years, but a cast of characters -- and they got off the ground in the late 1930s. Almanac Singers (Bess was one), Weavers... Burl Ives, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Woody Guthrie, et al. A few influential regional festivals (such as White Top, and the one Jean Thomas traipsed around) were begun a little earlier than the public careers of these New Yorkish types -- but they didn't really cause any national movement, that I can see. Since actual folk music was alive and well in the 1930s, it didn't need to be revived; but The Folksong Revival was a national pop culture phenomenon -- and those take something like air time on the (radio) networks, coverage in the major print media, and all that.What did Allen Smith say ("Pre-Revival Dulcimers")?
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/19/09 12:13:45PM
2,416 posts

Bess Lomax Hawes, 1921-2009


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thanks for this, Dick. Folks on the Ballad-L list have been saying over the past several months that 2009 was a particularly painful year in terms of losing many people who helped keep traditional folksong alive and well.Just curious- what span of years would you personally feel to be the "original folksong revival"?
razyn
@razyn
12/19/09 11:24:10AM
51 posts

Bess Lomax Hawes, 1921-2009


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I was on the road around the end of November, and didn't catch up with the news very well when I got home. I had missed the fact that another former colleague, who was one of the last surviving members of the original "folksong revival" cast, had passed away. I've looked at several of her obituaries, on Mudcat, and I think this one from the Huffington Post is the most complete and sensitive: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/bess-lomax-hawes-1921-200_b_373423.html Almost all of my dealings with Bess had to do with NEA Folk Arts grants (applying for them, accounting for them, reviewing others' applications for them, etc.). But I knew her earlier, when she was still teaching at Cal State Northridge; and the last time I ran into her, we were in the produce section of a Safeway -- we lived in the same Arlington neighborhood after she retired. She was a fine person -- not as well known as her flamboyant brother Alan Lomax, but having many of the same gifts and credentials -- in conjunction with an open, pleasant personality.
updated by @razyn: 06/09/16 08:21:50PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/01/11 03:01:55PM
2,157 posts

Bobby McFerrin: The power of the pentatonic scale


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Pentatonic rules!! The Natural Scale!
Foggers
@foggers
12/15/09 02:25:44PM
62 posts

Bobby McFerrin: The power of the pentatonic scale


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We saw him in London a couple of years ago when he toured the UK. If you ever get the chance DO go.He has a phenomenal vocal talent and a joyous love of singing that is absolutely enchanting and infectious. He gets the audience to do all kinds of things with him, he had a community choir on stage for part of the show, with whom he had done a day's workshop. He was also joined by his son who did stunning beatboxing as a duet with his talented dad. It was a lifetime experience for us.This clip is great - it is interesting that he claims that this works ANYWHERE in the world.
folkfan
@folkfan
12/15/09 11:14:03AM
357 posts

Bobby McFerrin: The power of the pentatonic scale


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It wasn't until he hit the third note that I heard a second note. The first two are just too close together for them to really register a difference. Perhaps if he'd use another sound than BAH the second BAH would have changed for me.
Flint Hill
@flint-hill
12/15/09 08:38:56AM
62 posts

Bobby McFerrin: The power of the pentatonic scale


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It knocked me right out.Putting aside the nature/nurture thing altogether, this piece is powerful evidence that music is somehow wired into our brains.
Flint Hill
@flint-hill
12/13/09 05:34:12PM
62 posts

Bobby McFerrin: The power of the pentatonic scale


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Bobby McFerrin shows, in a muscial experience conducted with a live audience, that the audience has an internal sense of a pentatonic scale after being taught only two notes of the scale.This isn't a lecture. It's a short, riveting musical performance that is relevant to diatonic performance and especially to melody-drone-style playing.

updated by @flint-hill: 01/13/19 05:09:18PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/19/10 05:27:33PM
2,416 posts



Today I painted a plain wood frog limberjack I bought. He was cute unpainted, but I wanted him green. I got him from musician MaryLee Sunseri .
I am trying to memorize the old ballad Froggie Went a' Courtin' so I can sing while making him dance. I'm not much of a multi-tasker, so it's not easy!
Here are the before and after pictures. I decided I liked him frowning better than smiling...

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/16/10 01:50:34PM
2,416 posts



Here are my other two limberjacks, my Frenchman and Mr.Pig, I've been practicing regularly, but still need to get better at it. :)

John Henry
@john-henry
01/16/10 01:06:57PM
258 posts



Barrel Organ? Denise Ivy said:
that was soooo awesome-thanks so much for posting-Those were great looking Limberjacks--weren't they?

-Was that a Hurdie Gurdie that guy was playing?
Haven't had too much to practice myself-all my extra practice time has gone to my dulcimette --but looking foward to a little extra time for Lilly to strut her stuff.
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/16/10 12:37:42PM
2,416 posts



Do these English dudes know how to have fun, or what?? :D
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/02/11 04:10:56PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Keltia, try thinking of the bowed psaltery more like a piano rather than a dulcimer.

You pick a range of the piano keys you want on your psaltery- usually between 1 and 3 octaves somewhere. Then you will have all the notes within that range. There is one string for every note. Each string will only play its one note- just like on a piano.

On a dulcimer or guitar, each string plays many notes through fretting it- therefore you can choose 'tunings' based on the kind of fingerings you are going to use.

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/02/11 03:52:13PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

a draw showing what note is what string could be fine.

Here are a few different tuning charts. Your string notes really depend on what high/low range you would like, on the size of the psaltery in terms of string length, and on how many strings you want:

http://www.juneappledulcimers.com/pages/BowedPsalteryTuningChart/

http://www.apsimplepsaltery.com/tuning_scheme.JPG

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/nigelum/Hodge-Podge/Psaltery_tuning_chart_resized.jpg

http://tuckasee.com/howto1.jpg

http://www.dulcimershofar.com/skin1/images/psal_notes.gif

As you can see there is no one correct way to tune a bowed psaltery, as they are all different depending on what strings they have.

A 25 string tenor like you show would be a nice typical psaltery. 25 or 32 strings or so, you'd be able to play various types of music on it. I would suggest you get at least 1 1/2 octaves to start with.

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/02/11 12:04:56PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Keltia said:



Well, true... XD

My questions are about the whole....

1 - strings name/tuning?

2 - specific stuff to do/not do with (to know) ?

3 - hows big is the difference between one from a luthier & one from industry for that instrument (Indeed i wonder for that one) I'd like to hear both & see the differencies but I can dream about...

4 - Where to find tabs about ?


I think those questions are the common ones for any instr. heh Quite normal when yr pretty new at a new instrument... But I thought it was a thread about bowed psaltery but sure as I said: I'll dig more that
psaltery website later.


Keltia, yes your questions are normal for any new instrument, but they require a lot of in depth answers that could easily take days of typing. Donna suggests correctly that all this information is already there for the reading on her site totally dedicated to bowed psalteries- no need to try to explain everything about BP's here. This is a good place for discussing a few specific questions and for having fun comparing our BP experiences here, from the standpoint of being mountain dulcimer players. I do recommend that anyone who wants to learn about bowed psalteries in an in depth way would do well to look at Donna's comprehensive site http://psalterystrings.com/ .

But to try to address some aspects of your questions:


1 - strings name/tuning?



Psalteries can have varying numbers of strings, all tuned to various notes. Mine has 32 strings and is approximately 2 1/2 octaves. Basically, there is a string for every note. I won't name all 32 notes/strings on my psaltery here, but if you like I can point out an online chart for tuning a 32 string psaltery. You do not fret any strings to make notes, you just bow each open string. There are some people who use specific 'tunings' to achieve effects that are not the norm, but mostly the strings are not tuned in 'tunings'- they are just an array of notes (whole and half steps) going up the scale.


2 - specific stuff to do/not do with (to know) ?



To do : practice a lot, concentrate of getting a smooth sound from your bow and a light touch. learn a simple melody line.
Not to do : saw away on it roughly with a heavy hand which produces unfortunate sounds. Be impatient. Try to play 1-3-5 chords.
Not really sure what you mean by this question, but tried my best to answer it. If I'm missing what you meant by your question, please specify and clarify further what you are wanting to know.


3 - hows big is the difference between one from a luthier & one from industry for that instrument (Indeed i wonder for that one) I'd like to hear both & see the differencies but I can dream about...



On Donna's site there are quite a few descriptions and comparisons from various people owning psalteries amde by different people. She also lists some of the makers on the left column of her site, you can look at their sites and what they offer- most of them make nice psalteries that are good quality. Many of their sites offer photos and sound clips. Donna's site also has LOTS of videos of people playing thier psalteries, and you can watch and compare them.
Much depends on how many strings you want - that largely determines what size psaltery you would like to buy. Some are very small with less than a dozen strings- others have over 30 strings. Some have a high sound, some have longer strings and a lower sound. If you want to play very simple tunes then a smaller one with fewer strings might be fun to try. There is no one single type that is best for all people- just like with mountain dulcimers, a lot depends on what kind of music you are wanting to play- knowing that can help others make recommendations. Naturally larger psalteries with many strings are more expensive than small psalteries with only one octave of strings or less.


4 - Where to find tabs about ?



There are some tabs on Donna's site that you can find (Donna can point you to them perhaps).
But TAB is not as useful or applicable for bowed psalteries as it is for mountain dulcimers. Why?- because there is no fingering/fretting involved . No fingering positions to indicate, so basically any tab for the bowed psaltery consists mostly of just indicating which strings to play for each note in the melody. In a way, I feel it's just easier to pick out a simple tune by ear and practice playing it until you 'know' the tune on the psaltery. Once you can play one very simple tune, you can build on that and slowly play other tunes and get better.
In my view, TABs are mostly useful for instruments with fingerings and fingered fretted notes and chords - like mountain dulcimers, guitars, banjos, etc. Otherwise, you can simply use standard notation or else just learn the tune by ear. Start simple .

Hope this helps?


updated by @strumelia: 12/08/24 12:24:51PM
John Henry
@john-henry
01/02/11 02:49:59AM
258 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Keltia, from what I see of your abilities with other instruments I do not think that the psaltery would offer any problems to you. As Strumelia says above, ask away here, I am sure you will be answered.

JohnH
Keltia said:

I was closed to get one the last time I went to Brittany.... beautiful instrument but still, I wonder about tabs, strings, tuning, etc...
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/01/11 11:17:04PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Keltia, if you have a specific question it is easier to answer... :)
Sue Simms
@sue-simms
09/01/10 07:40:53PM
29 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Donna, I recall that the maker was Tish Westman. It was smaller than the one strumelia has shown. Wonderful sound ! It seems to keep on ringing. Donna Malus said:
Hi Sue, where did you try one? Do you know who the builder was?

Sue Simms said:
I had the opportunity to play one last week ! so beautiful , I will check out Tish's site.
Sue Simms
@sue-simms
08/31/10 05:10:27PM
29 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I had the opportunity to play one last week ! so beautiful , I will check out Tish's site.
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/31/10 04:47:53PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Sue Simms said:
OMG , The Bowed Saltery is such a Beautiful Instrumment. I had the oppertunity to play one last week and Just fell in love with it ! Just a beautiful sound and now I want a new toy ! Maybe Christmas
Sue, be sure to join http://psalterystrings.ning.com/ ....where you can drool over b.psalteries to your heart's content!
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/31/10 04:34:01PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I recently got a little too busy with all kinds of stuff in my schedule, and I sadly stopped playing my bowed psaltery altogether for about four weeks. I picked it up a couple of nights ago, dreading how i might sound. But NO!- after about five minutes of shaking out the cobwebs, I was almost back where I had left off. What a kind and forgiving instrument it was!I happily played my favorite practice tunes for an hour, and I seem to have wound up pretty much back where I was again. What a relief. Now hopefully I can get back into more regular practice.
Strumelia
@strumelia
03/31/10 09:46:59PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Suzanne,I think you should talk to our member Tish: http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profile/TishWestman She and her husband make wonderful bowed psalteries, and they make smaller ones for beginners as well. http://www.westmaninstruments.com Also, go have a look at Donna Malus' whole other online community just for bowed psalteries! : http://psalterystrings.ning.com/ I don't think you will have a lot of luck just walking into a music store hoping to find one. they are not that common.So, Donna and/or Tish are both very knowledgeable, and they are both members here. They can give you some excellent guidance on getting your mother a well made and lovely psaltery that likely won't break the bank. :)
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/16/10 04:43:48PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I just wanted to mention that one of our members here, Donna Malus, has started a new NING network community just for the bowed psaltery, located here: http://psalterystrings.ning.com/ Great going, Donna! :)
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/06/10 12:44:31PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I practiced again last night after not playing for about 5 days. I noticed a definite improvement! I didn't have as much trouble changing intervals between 3rds and 4ths, which seems to happen a lot in my medieval-y tunes.
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
01/05/10 03:08:55PM
1,564 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Bowed psaltery players are welcomed to join the Rosin the Bow group here at FOTMD. Please feel free to come share your music, ask questions, answer questions. . .Robin
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/05/10 02:04:16PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Anthony Fama said:
I feel truely blessed to be able to get together almost every Wednesday & play music with my other psaltery friends.
Ooooh, I would love that too! Your psaltery is very very beautiful!Have you ever been able to see or try a 3 octave psaltery? Are they around? Are they too awkward to play?
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/08/09 09:54:44PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Well Walter that is a reallly beautiful psaltery you made...impressive!Today I practiced again. Every time i practice I can hear myself get a tiny bit better. I usually practice for about 20 or 30 minutes.Today I set aside several hours and put all new strings on my 12 yr old B.psaltery. That's 32 strings I changed! ((whew)) But the old ones were all too thin (.009) and they were rusty. It just deserved new ones. The new ones were in three gauges- .010, .011, and .012 for the low strings. James Jones the maker suggested that and sent me a tuning chart to know which strings used which gauges.Frankly, I don't hear a huge difference, but nice shiny new strings are nice to have on anyway. ;)
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/09 02:08:25PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Here is mine, made by James Jones of VA, 2 2/1 octaves with a redwood top:

Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/09 02:07:21PM
2,416 posts

Bowed Psaltery


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I just dug out my 12 yr old bowed psaltery last week and am starting to learn to play it now. I wanted to start this thread as a place where others could talk about their bowed psalteries too! I would love to hear about and see other people's BPs. :)
updated by @strumelia: 02/18/19 10:43:53PM
Sam
@sam
01/18/11 09:08:25AM
169 posts



Info and diagram very helpful. Thanks for posting.

Sam

Gary Germain
@gary-germain
01/18/11 09:02:36AM
1 posts



I saw a post on u tube showing how to form a loop. they had an eye hook on the end of a file handle or dowel and demonstrated forming a loop.
john p
@john-p
09/30/10 01:18:53PM
173 posts



Not to keen on the loop through method, though I've used it often enough, it's seems to create a weak point where the string often breaks.The ferrule is invariable made of brass and will crack up and drop out if you squeeze it with a pair of pliers.Be careful doing this that you don't put any pressure on the string itself or scratch it with the jaws of the pliers. I use flat jawed pliers(rather than the more usual serrated ones) so that tape trick would be a good idea.john p
Robin Clark
@robin-clark
12/11/09 08:35:24AM
239 posts



I had a string break at last night's session so I tried the "loop through ball" as a quick way to get a new string on (I only had ball end strings available). It worked! I had the string on and stabalised at pitch by half way through the next tune.
folkfan
@folkfan
12/03/09 03:41:22PM
357 posts



The looping through the ball does work, but if you have one of the dulcimers that was made using a dowel for a string holder, the dowel can get rather crowded with 4 ball ends. This is especially true when you break a string and want to make a quick change. You may have to really work to figure out which string needs to be cut off, or you'll end up with 5 balls on that peg.Many makers use metal pegs that are good for holding both ball and loop end strings. You might even be able to find a luthier who could put those on for you if you have large headed nails for string holders that the loop won't fit over. Robin Clark said:
That "loop through the ball" system just sounds way too simple a solution to work !!!! - I've must give it try as it would make life so much easier! My only concern (untested) would be how well the string would stabalise and hold pitch. But if it does work - well, problem solved!

I've tried lots of different methods of removing the balls - twisting, cutting, smashing and not had much success. The quickest has been to simply cut the ball off and re-wind a loop (then put a plaster over the holes in my fingers!)

Wray said:
Have you tried inserting the string end through the ball to make a loop end (of sorts) out of a ball end string?
Also, if you unwind the string just a smidge you can take the ball out without having to cut the ball.You might have to hold the string above the ball very lightly with a pair of needle nose pliers to be able to unwind it. It only takes a turn or two.
Robin Clark
@robin-clark
12/02/09 10:23:41AM
239 posts



That "loop through the ball" system just sounds way too simple a solution to work !!!! - I've must give it try as it would make life so much easier! My only concern (untested) would be how well the string would stabalise and hold pitch. But if it does work - well, problem solved!I've tried lots of different methods of removing the balls - twisting, cutting, smashing and not had much success. The quickest has been to simply cut the ball off and re-wind a loop (then put a plaster over the holes in my fingers!) Wray said:
Have you tried inserting the string end through the ball to make a loop end (of sorts) out of a ball end string?
Also, if you unwind the string just a smidge you can take the ball out without having to cut the ball.You might have to hold the string above the ball very lightly with a pair of needle nose pliers to be able to unwind it. It only takes a turn or two.
folkfan
@folkfan
12/02/09 12:39:31AM
357 posts



If you shop on line "Just Strings" has loop end strings in almost all gauges. You don't have to buy set packs of Dulcimer strings.
updated by @folkfan: 02/12/16 02:45:15PM
Flint Hill
@flint-hill
12/01/09 11:46:36AM
62 posts

Thanksgiving: Old Blue


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Randy, thanks. My grandmother -- a fine Sacred Harp singer -- told me once that my singing sounded like somebody calling hogs and that my guitar sounded like the hogs answering back. This was done in a good spirit as a way of suggesting that I ought to sing more church music and less Hank Williams and Carter Family.I just got back from Georgia. One of the great things about having grown up there is that Georgia is a good place to get back from.And yeah, coonhounds aren't for everybody. Just ask my wife. People say they're dumb, but I think that they're smart enough to know what they can get away with.
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